Reincarnation International, London, No. 5, March 1995, pp. 13-15

Debate


Swiss past-life therapist Dr. Jan Erik Sigdell takes issue with Prof. Ian Stevenson, who is sceptical about the therapeutic and scientific value of hypnotic regressions


Are facts important to a soul?
I  WISH  to show that there are certainly many shades of nicer colours, includ­ing white, in the picture which  Prof.  Ian  Stevenson  wan­ted to paint mostly in black,  in his critical and sceptical article about past-life regressions and  past-life therapy  in  “Rein­car­na­tion In­ternational” No.2. (1)  
     Let me begin with an example — not from true life, but reframed in an es­pecially demonstrative way.

A person has very strong fears of water, especially when the sea gets deep. In a regression — not to a past existence but to this actual life — he experiences himself almost drowning as a little boy, saved in the very last minute. He relives the emotions and releases them. Practical work with similar cases shows that he can now expect to be free from his deep-water phobia, if that experience was the only important cause for it.

Confusion
In the regression, we ask him where it is. “I think it is in Italy.”
We ask how old he is. “Maybe five years.”
Then we have an opportunity to check with his mother, who says: “Yes, that really did happen! It was awful! But it wasn’t in Italy. It was when we were on holidays in Spain and he was only three years old.”
This is how inaccurate data often are when they come up in a regression — in this life or to a past one. Real expe­riences come with strong emotions, but data, such as names of places and persons as well as historical dates, are quite uncertain. Why is that?
In my German text-book on past-life therapy, I deal with this question at some length, and in the following lines present an English translation of relevant parts.
“Our intellect is greedy for facts, but these are of a secondary importance on the level of the soul. The person in a regression rarely reacts to questions about dates and facts as if they were of importance. What are significant are experiences and emotions. The same holds for childhood experiences. All questions about the date, time and place, where and when the person fell into the water as a child, and how deep he sank, are totally irrelevant — if one wants to release him from the fear for water he has to-day. The only impor­tant thing is what he experienced, that this is relived in the regression and that the emotions are released.” (2)

Emotional
What the soul carries over in the first place is an emotional experience, not factual data. A person spoke Chinese in a past life. In the regression, he tells in English (or in the language used in the regression) what he then said to someone, normally not in Chinese. What carries over in the first place is the content of what was said, not the form (the actual acoustical words), which is secondary to the soul. Simi­larly, the emotional content of an ex­perience and the kind of situation in which it occurs are primary, but the facts around them are secondary to the soul.
In his article, Stevenson states: “It is not difficult to induce a hypnotised person to imagine himself or herself in a previous life. The scenes are vivid, the emotions intense...”
I think that it is quite difficult to in­duce a person to have an emotion he or she has never really had! Even though the scene may be vivid, the emotions will in such a case be weak. There is no smoke without fire. If the soul knows an emotion, there has been a real experience in which it has ex­perienced it. And why should it then invent it all, rather than go back to the “real thing”, at least in essence?

Placebo?
The question then is less one of the reality of the emotional experience than one of the correctness of all de­tails stated around it when questioned about facts. Especially when the emo­tional experience is able to explain a problem (e.g., a phobia) the person has to-day and by reliving and releasing it the problem is solved!
Stevenson seems to think that no form of psychotherapy can cure any­thing, but some do and some don’t. Some in this case, others in that case ... even past-life therapy! And if some­one prefers to classify the latter as merely symbolic or placebo, what real difference does it make to the patient, when he afterwards doesn’t have the problem anymore?
“In the evaluation of facts stated in past-life regressions one has to bear in mind that two incarnations in differ­ent time periods, involving similar ex­periences, can mix up. It is also possi­ble that concepts known in the actual life to-day may be projected into the regression experience.
“Furthermore, it happens that there were certain things we more or less unconsciously want to see in another way than how they really were, since the latter could lead to an unpleasant discovery or a painful experience. To avoid them, one may then uncon­sciously insert other scenes instead. It may also happen that the regressor doesn’t notice it. It must be seen as a methodical (or tendential) error in the evaluation, if such possibilities are not considered in experimental regres­sions. Some ‘evaluators’ seem to hunt only for wrong facts and at their first possible finding, with a sigh of relief, see their aim fulfilled, which is — with­out respect to other data — to declare the whole thing as fraud or fallacy.” (2)
“As for the question of the existence of the personality experienced, the fol­lowing way of evaluating is part of their strategy
— if sources of information about the person experienced are found to exist, then the person to-day ‘must’ have learned the data from such sources and it ‘can only’ be a case of cryptomnesia,       
— or, if such sources of informa­tion cannot be found, then it ‘can only’ be fantasy and the personality experi­enced ‘has never existed’.” (2)

 
Inner eye
I would like to mentioned three ex­amples of projection and distortion from my own practice. In the non-hyp­notic method I use, we let the uncon­scious self become visible to the inner eye in some form (usually a human being, a being of light or a light phe­nomenon), which is called the “guide” or “counsellor”. What we no longer know in our conscious self, the uncon­scious self still knows — in fact, it seems not to forget anything. Uncertain points can, therefore, be checked with this “guide” in the regression itself.
For example, a noble lady travelled from England to Austria in the 17th century and said she was sitting in a train. The guide said that it was in re­ality a long and tiresome journey with a coach, but she didn’t like to experi­ence that and, for more comfort, put in a train, instead...
Another woman relived a love story with a man dressed in woman’s clothes, allegedly as a disguise to es­cape pursuers. When she came to meet the guide, she was told that it wasn’t a man. She hadn’t wanted a lesbian love experience she had had to be true. (3)
In a recent case, a man was a little girl taken for a ride on a tractor, away from the farm, by her father who then sexually abused her in the bushes. The year was said to be 1784. Checking the scene again, it was a cart pulled by a horse... A fact of little relevance was filled into the scene from to-day’s consciousness. Furthermore, “mix-ups of names of places that sound similar as well as years (e.g., 1683 or 1873 instead of 1783 — mixed-up digits) do occur.” (2)

Calculations
If the person didn’t actually know then what year it was, the unconscious self obviously calculates or estimates it, e.g., from its knowledge of how many years have lapsed, which can come out wrong. That such calcula­tion takes place is evidenced by ques­tions about year and age in two differ­ent scenes of the same life-time. The differences in the statements of the ages is normally exactly the same as in the statements of the years.
If the experience itself is true, the subject may tend to fill in lacking or blurred memories of data from his or her school knowledge of to-day — when asked for them. Therefore, a real emotional experience of the past can in the regression be mixed up with cryptomnetic data. This could very well have happened in the case of the Crusades, mentioned by Stevenson. If the time period was stated as the “time of the Crusades” by the person re­gressed, to-day’s school knowledge has obviously bled through, since none knew at that time, that such a denomi­nation would be given to the period in later (future) times!
If the “time of the Crusades” was simply a deduction by the regressionist from years mentioned, the latter could have come out wrong. Could it, fur­thermore, not be possible that he car­ried some kind of messages between Versailles and Bordeaux, even though Versailles was not yet of governmen­tal significance? Someone lived there at that time, too.
I will not argue that the examples claimed as false data by Stevenson are necessarily cases of true experiences, but I will argue that factual faults can­not definitely prove that the subject never had that experience. False facts are a possible counter-evidence but not a counterproof.

Conclusions
To continue playing “the Devil’s advocate”: in the second case stated by Stevenson, maybe there was an Earl of Leicester by the name of James in another time period and “Cromwell” was unconsciously interpreted from to­day’s school-knowledge. Was this possibility checked for? It also seems to me that “Lechester” could very well have been the pronunciation in those days. We cannot draw certain conclu­sions from to-day’s way of speaking. Has anyone checked that? If there could be possible positive evidence in it, maybe no one wanted to ...
As to the third case mentioned by Stevenson, the year 1922 could be as “certain” as in other cases mentioned above. Lives could also have been mixed-up. Operations similar to lo­botomy were made in ancient Egypt, though they usually turned out to be fatal. Can it be definitely excluded that some singular experiment was made in later times even before Moniz described lobotomy in 1936, but not his­torically recorded?
For the fourth case, “The Nether­lands” can well have been unconsciously interpreted, or rather guessed, from some blurred impression. Rocks and hills in Eastern Belgium or Luxem­bourg would certainly seem like “mountains” for someone then, who had never seen anything higher. A simi­lar situation could also apply in the case of the “Moors”. The century could also be wrongly stated by the subject, bear­ing in mind that people at that time of­ten had no knowledge of the counting of the years.

Cover-up?
In the fifth case, one might argue that the subject skipped the death experi­ence and jumped to his next life, to 12 years before he died there. Can we definitely exclude a cover-up — it wouldn’t have been the first one in his­tory — if the murderer really did escape, which one would never like to let the public know? I don’t assume that this was the case, but just for the sake of argument... [See this note about the case!]
With this, I only wish to show that the conclusions drawn by Stevenson (and jumped to by others) concerning these and similar cases, even though they may well be valid in one, some or all of the cases, cannot be taken as defi­nite proofs against the reality of the experiences. I have therefore stretched the argument in a demonstrative man­ner.
There are remarkable cases of data which were confirmed. The Bridey Murphy case was one, in spite of all the — sometimes extreme — efforts to counter-prove it. A recent case was pre­sented on German television in 1993; the case of the tank division captain Richard Meissner who was shot in the second world war. His existence and all data were proven after the regres­sion by a documentation centre in Berlin.
There have been more cases of as­tonishing confirmation. The most spec­tacular evidence for reincarnation seems to be the Australian television documentary “Rein­carnation” (4), which gives astonishing evidence of the existence of four persons regressed hypnotically by Peter Ramster in Syd­ney. More common is the cross-con­firmation found in regressions when we have the opportunity to regress two persons who knew each other in a past life. If done independently and taking caution that the other person is kept uninformed before his or her own re­gression, we are nevertheless likely to arrive at a mutual confirmation.
We will never have a proof of the truth of a regression experience, and we will never have a disproof. Even if all facts are found to be right, this still doesn’t prove that the person to-day was the person then, i.e., the same soul in another body. We can, at most, con­firm that the personality experienced really existed, but for being a case of reincarnation we will only have evi­dence and arguments for and against.
There is some similarity here with the question about the reality of the Euclidian geometry. If that geometry is really true in our cosmos, it can never be mathematically proven that it is so. All actual and future measure­ments will forever leave an uncertainty within the “plus-minus” of the accu­racy of measurement, within which a non-Euclidian geometry, albeit very close to the Euclidian, could still be the real thing and valid. The impor­tant question concerning past-life re­gressions is really to which extent the experience is helpful to the client.
In my experience, it usually is, and that is one piece of evidence. An im­portant discussion about reincarnation and experience is given at various lo­cations in a book by Ronald Laing, which seems to have escaped the at­tention of most authors on this subject. “Reculer Pour Mieux Sauter” (5).

Rare event?
Some seem to want to have it this way: “Rein­carnation? OK, but only in rare cases!” But what if we really do incarnate, all of us? Why should it be true only the one way (e.g. in memo­ries of a few children), but not the other?
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(1)  Stevenson, Ian: “A case of the psy­chotherapist’s fallacy”, Reincarnation In­ternational, No.2, Vol.1, 1994, pp.8-11.
(2) Sigdell, Jan Erik: Emotionale Befreiung durch Rückführung. Ein Handbuch für Reinkarnationstherapeuten und ihre Klienten, own publication, Basel, 1994, Chapter 2. (Dr. J.E. Sigdell P.O. Box 194, CH-4012 Basel, Switzerland.)
(3)   Sigdell, as above, Chapter 12
(4)  Reincarnation, Soundsense Films, Sydney, 1985. This documentary has been shown on television in Europe, in the Netherlands and in Denmark.
(5)   Laing, Ronald D.: The Voice of Experience, Penguin, Hammersmith (Mid­dlesex), 1983.